Earlier this year in Washington DC, the ‘elite’ in big government forced through a healthcare bill without regard for its damaging effect on our economy and country.
It was a pure example of “damn the torpedoes and full steam ahead.” It helped spawn a grass roots movement, the Tea Party, as Conservatives railed at the healthcare plan and the methods used to force it through as being the brain child of a socialist big government ideology. Imagine my surprise when some of those same self-proclaimed leaders of conservatives in our region began marketing ideas to Murrietans that could only be found in socialistic ideology without regard to the consequences to our economy and future.
It was a pure example of “damn the torpedoes and full steam ahead.” It helped spawn a grass roots movement, the Tea Party, as Conservatives railed at the healthcare plan and the methods used to force it through as being the brain child of a socialist big government ideology. Imagine my surprise when some of those same self-proclaimed leaders of conservatives in our region began marketing ideas to Murrietans that could only be found in socialistic ideology without regard to the consequences to our economy and future.
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Mcallister has no clue what Conservatism is. What an embarrassment. This stupidity is worthy of no further response.
ReplyDeleteSorry Roy, full cut/pastes of articles are not allowed and will be deleted.
ReplyDeleteHow about this?
ReplyDeleteThe council and its supporters say we should listen to them . They know better. But you also have to look at their motivation and built in bias. What do these Initiatives do? They limit City Council power and perks. So try to apply this to your life. If an outside source came in and threatened your income and power would you be against it? More than likely yes. However, in this case this is the people of Murrieta attempting to take more control of those they elect. Currently the tail wags the dog. We have no control over Council perks. We have no control over what the City Manager or staff, which are appointed positions, make in the form of salaries and benefits. We also have no control over the salaries that are tied to these positions. With all the headlines of salary and pension abuse lately it makes sense for Murrietans to make these positions a known calculation that all residents understand. Paying 2.5 times the average Murrieta income to the City Manager still gives a compensation that is 50% higher than the salaries of state assemblymen. Currently the attitude of this council and councils in other cities is to point to other city's to justify what they pay. Murrieta looks at Temecula and says that they pay over 100k less so they're not over paying. Temecula looks at Moreno Valley's city manager and says that they pay 100k less so they are also not overpaying. Moreno Valley used to pay less than Bell... The point is they are all over paid. Murrieta needs to guarantee three things. First that it's management positions salaries are a known calculation and not a whim of the council. Second that council perks and benefits are limited so that those who serve are there for the people and not the perks. Third: that term limits are in place so that no incumbent gains too much of an advantage and also is not in office long enough to be corrupted. In a city with so much past corruption wouldn't it be better do something to prevent the corruption than to react to it after it has already happened? Californians already pay among the highest tax rates in the country. These Initiatives will not change this at this point. But think about it. How many more police or park space will the cost savings buy? VOTE YES C D E IF NOT NOW WHEN?
Roy at 10am, as you can see by the retention of your 9:55am comment (plus other recent comments), your assumption is wrong. All sides of the issue are accepted.
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"So much past corruption", implies a vast magnitude, which there has not been, not even close.
ReplyDeleteWithin the past 10 years only 2 council members were convicted of crimes.
Jack vanHaaster was convicted for politically related crimes and as a sitting Murrieta councilman. He was recalled, proving the current system works.
Warnie Enochs was convicted for crimes related to his divorce and not for crimes related to politics and not for crimes related to his position as councilman. Regardless whether the crimes were politically connected or not, the voters took it into their own hands and voted him out, proving the current system works.
In Murrieta, term limits is not the solution for keeping corruption and bad council representatives out office. The voters have always and proved to be the solution and should continue to be the solution. Vote NO on Measure C
Just read the Mcallister report and my side is sore from laughter. This is a serious position? I Love it! Thank you! I will market it and spread it far and wide for you.
ReplyDeleteHow about current council corruption? Try this link: http://www.nctimes.com/news/opinion/columnists/strickland/article_12e226e7-86a9-5848-ace1-1db6020c8fa9.html?mode=comments
ReplyDeleteCurrent council corruption; I think not. The current council is doing their fiduciary duty in defense of a 25 million dollar lawsuit. To do otherwise, would be corruption and could end with the collapse of Murrieta. Do you think for one minute the council should meet in a public meeting to discuss the in’s and out’s of MSHCP, not knowing if Robert Tyler, attorney for Calvary Church, has planted a non-vested resident to listen in?
ReplyDeleteStrickland’s op-ed is just that. Thomasian broke the citizen’s trust, has come very close to breaching the Brown Act and should be voted out.
All the council broke the Brown Act and have been reported. I guess Mcallister's twisted stupidity piece on conservatism in socialist clothing was so good that he took it down. It was the ramblings of a crazy man, but I saved it and forwarded it all over. Wow!
ReplyDeleteOh have you heard the KFI ads?
ReplyDeleteYou make accusations and but offer no support. How did the "all of the council break the Brown Act". But caution, before you answer, you had better check the council agenda first.
ReplyDelete“We have no control over what the City Manager or staff, which are appointed positions, make in the form of salaries and benefits”.
ReplyDeleteMeasure E will not give control to the resident voter. Through the California government code, legislature authority is the reason why there is no control by the residents for any appointed government employee. Local law does not trump state law. Others have challenged it and have failed. If this measure passes, one should expect to see it nullified by the courts, or at bare minimum, argued in the courts for years to come and likely costing more than any anticipated savings the measure’s proponents expect. Want proof? Just look to prop 8.
The control is in that it is a known calculation instead of a whim of the council and you just assume it won't stand up in court or you are privy to inside information that the city will use its taxpayer paid lawyers to challenge limitations on salaries and perks.
ReplyDeleteAnon 457, no I have assumed nothing and I have no inside track. I have done the reseach. The fact is Government Code 36506 is the controlling factor, no matter what YOU would like it to be. As far as unsuccessful challenges to code, seek and you shall find.
ReplyDeleteBTW 457, I said the proof was in prop 8. The voters wanted one thing and the courts said it was unconstitutional, as in illegal.
ReplyDeleteSenator Chuck DeVore and Senator Ray Haynes both endorse and support all three initiatives. These two senators are very conservative and care very much for the taxpayer. If these were bad initiatives why would they endorse them?
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